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Author: bibleandbeeswax
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In a Very Roundabout Way This is about Israel
I’ve been working on a theological treatise for a while now, and one portion of it is devoted to “last things”. Included in my rough draft work is a section discussing how Christians view or ought to view the relation of ethnic Jews to the salvation of the world.
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Friendship with Those Who Disagree with You
Part of living life, and living the Christian life, is figuring out how to be friends with people who differ from you, who believe you are in the wrong, and that you are living inconsistent with some kind of law (either a deities’ law or a man-made standard for ethics).
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The Fathers on The End Times
I’m slowly compiling research, and hopefully putting a book together! One element that I’ve been researching is what the pre-Nicene fathers specifically state about the end times. I’ve found some really interesting trends, and, to my knowledge, have put together some things that no one else has compiled. If someone else has already done a comparison like this, then I’d love to see it because it’s a lot quicker to build on other people’s work!
Anyway, here’s the summary below of what I’ve found. If anyone wants the more thorough overview, and then also the really, really in-depth comparison, just comment and I’ll do a separate post.
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The Fathers on the Fall of Angels
I’ve been reviewing the early Church Fathers to compile an overview of the different views on eschatology, but while reading I came across quotes on the fall of angels, as well as the editorial note.
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Lo! How a rose e’er blooming?
I decided to take the original text of the well-known hymn, and translate it without trying to keep the rhyme scheme. Why? Just because!
Here it is below:
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God is Incomprehensible
Defining Incomprehensibility
Incomprehensibility is that theological concept that, negatively, means what cannot be known of God, and, positively, means that only particulars can be known of God without fully circumscribing the entirety of Him.
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Definitions in Philosophy and Theology
I started this post just reviewing patristic quotes of immutability, but as I’ve thought through the idea, I think that I need to review definitions of some basic words used in theology and philosophy, and really think through some implications. I’ve decided this post should be split into multiple posts. I should probably also re-write a lot of this and try to publish it somewhere, and actually make some income off of my thoughts [which, if you do think this deserves some level of monetary support, please do donate!!]. Regardless–
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God is Inscrutable
I’ve not written any personal reflections in quite a while. For one reason, it is because I went through a brutal divorce. For another, it is because I’ve been pondering a lot, and I hate to release anything that isn’t based in well-researched writing. But, now I’ve decided that I should just write about what I’m thinking through for my own benefit, and see if anyone has interesting or fruitful comments to have a discussion about this.
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A Summary of How Theologians Describe God
The works of God with respect to Himself and His creatures 1:
1. Immanent/Internal Works (ad intra)
- B. Extrinsic 4
2. Transient/External Works (ad extra) 9
- A. Creation
- B. Providence (in later theology) / Governance (in early theology)
- Extraordinary/Special providence (WCF 5.3)
- C. Redemption
Some Notes:
- In the end, all theological logic is nominal. I don’t think we can know what this parsing out actually refers to in se (in itself) in God. But I think the parsing out of concepts helps us understand how to categorize our little ectypal revelation about God.
↩︎ - Intrinsic works remain within and refer to God.
↩︎ - NECESSARY works are those that are who God is. Of His Immanent works, this includes intrinsic works of His being and Persons. UNNECESSARY works are things that are not necessitated by who God is but are accidental to His nature. Of His immanent works, this includes the extrinsic works. All of His transient works are also unnecessary (given the definition of unnecessary).
↩︎ - Extrinsic works remain within but refer to things outside of God.
↩︎ - Decrees – In early Reformed work ‘providence’ was the purposing of how the decrees would be carried out. It was called the, “parent of predestination” – Bavinck.
↩︎ - I take a via media in my ordering of the decrees between the infralapsarian and supralapsarian positions by placing permission of the fall after creation, but glorification prior to all.
↩︎ - I also place the covenant of redemption within the logical ordering of the decrees. In the various charts I’ve studies of Reformed/patristic theologies, I’ve yet to find one that describes where this covenantal concept fits within the immanent works of God.
↩︎ - There is a debate among theologians regarding the nature of the decree as how to view Christ’s role in Redemption—Christ as fideiussor or Christ as exprommisor.
“The Son’s sponsio was not an expromissio (surety) [disagreeing with Berkhof], such that the guilt of sin was transferred without further ado from the elect to the Son and they had already become guiltfree through the pact itself. Rather it was a real fideiussio (bail), a guarantee which was already effective from the start, even before the Son, in view of this merit of his in the future, had fulfilled his vow by completing the work of redemption.” -Heinrich Heppe, Reformed Dogmatics, p. 380
ie. in Heppe’s view Christ said, “I agree to bail them out once they sin, with foresight of my work.” But in Berkhof’s view, Christ said, “I agree to undertake their debt now.”
Sponsio, “An engagement to pay a certain sum of money to the successful party in a cause.” -Black’s Law Dictionary
Surety, “A person who binds himself for the payment of a sum of money or for the performance of something else, for another, who is already bound for the same. A surety differs from a guarantor, and the latter [guarantor] cannot be sued until after a suit against the principal. 2. The surety differs from bail in this, that the latter [bail] actually has, or is by law presumed to have, the custody of his principal, while the former [surety] has no control over him. The bail may surrender his principal in discharge of his obligation; the surety cannot be discharged by surrender.”
↩︎ - Transient/External works involve the execution of the decree(s) and are always related to the economic Trinity and the doctrine of inseperable operations, “opera ad extra trinitatis indivisa sunt”. ↩︎
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Considering Some of the Claims of Eastern Orthodoxy
I’ve had the opportunity to talk to a number of different Eastern Orthodox folk about their views of Jesus and salvation. In College and Seminary, I spoke to several Eastern Orthodox people I met at Church, as well as an Ethiopian Orthodox man at a restaurant, and one Eastern Orthodox woman in her Church about her view of the atonement. Recently, a friend of mine converted to Eastern Orthodoxy, which has given some grounds for discussion. I also have had what I consider an opportunity to speak to some Eastern Orthodox apologists online about their perspective on things.
An incredible thing to me is that many of them are quite rude in their approach! I think it is because of their perspective that they are the One True Church, and that everyone else is essentially heterodox or heretics, and that they perceive discussion regarding this issue to be an attempt to avoid joining what is (to them) obviously the truth once and for all delivered to the saints. That said, one video that was recommended to me was this short lecture by Fr. Josiah Trenham. I want to write a post based on this video, not to attack the video or its author in any way, but simply as a starting point to investigate the claims of Eastern Orthodox apologists today.
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